One of my oldest couples in Sunset Valley (one of those saves from 2016 to which I returned a couple of months ago) are suddenly acting strangely. They are settled, stable, affluent, both have achieved their life wishes, one now has a wish to be a millionaire ...which will probably be fulfilled soon. Nothing to explain this sudden rash of weirdness.

First, the sim who does most of the gardening now wants to take a circuitous route to the garden, gets stuck (apparently wants to go through a bush rather than walk around it) and stands the waving her arms and screaming about no route. Normally they just go out the back door (kitchen) and they're in the garden; now they go from the kitchen through the dining room, through the hot tub room, through the "lounge" (bar and restroom adjacent to the pool), exit via the side door, turn left and complain of the bush there instead of just walking around it. So I click on the ground near the pool "go here", click a couple of feet to their left "go here", then it's a straight line to the garden (perhaps eight tiles from where they started). There's nothing wrong with the routing in the kitchen, neither sim has any issue when cleaning the house (the trash can is just outside the back door).

Second, the other sim wants to read something, the icon of a particular bookcase appears in the upper left, they go to it, stand there a minute and that icon is replaced by one for a different bookcase, and they go there; repeat for every bookcase in the house til they're back where they started. Continue the entire afternoon, doing laps around the house, bookcase to bookcase. My first thought was they had already read everything in the house, so I replaced about half the bookcases with different ones (I have the "no reread" mod), but that didn't help. So at these times I send that sim to the library; don't have to accompany them, the minute they walk through the front door they want to "read something", and will happily spend the rest of the evening there. (Though they rarely get to finish a book, every sim in town has to come strike up a conversation with them.)

Third, can sims normally climb through windows? Lately when my sims go to the sauna they no longer take the easy way - go through the dining room and you're there. They go out the front door, walk around the front of the house to where the cars are parked (facing the wall outside the sauna), go up to the wall, lean through the window and turn on the faucets, change clothes and step through the window into the tub; when done, they step back through the window into the parking area, change clothes, walk back around to the front door, and come back inside. I put different windows in that room but that had no effect so returned to the originals.

Now, the only thing different ...the only thing new (sorry, ancient song reference)... is that I completed the fence around the lot and put in two gates, locked to all but household. This leaves the front door area and parking area as the only sections of the lot open to the street (it works, recently I heard yelling outside the house, there was some unknown sim waiving his arms and screaming about no route, then ran off down the street).

Old saves got somewhat corrupted over the time and they needs a fresh start.
You can save it as with other name to create entirely new save files with all your proggress over the years, cleaned from cache that has been accumulated. In doubt you can use save cleaning tool to clear out the "garbage" files stored in the old save (remember to do a backup folder).

About the bookshelf you got to replace it with new one, delete the old one and clear the stored books from the family inventory. When selling items from family inventory you gotta sell them all to keep it clean, because when it's full it can make the game to lag more.

Could you provide some screenshots of the fenced area around the house, the gate and the floor plan of the house's ground level?

The routing issues could be because of stuck jigs perhaps? If you use Nraas mods you could try resetting the lot, if that doesn't help then flush any stuck jigs.
https://www.nraas.net/community/post100274#p100274

Be sure to backup your save first (save as a different name) so that you can go back if anything breaks.

Thanks. I've been playing those old (2016) saves for a couple of months now with no major issues (each threw the "some items could not be loaded and were replaced" on first load, but whatever it was must be inconsequential since I noticed nothing changed; in fact the only thing noted was the aquarium was missing from all homes, the mod was inexplicably missing from the packages folder, and searching online did not disclose it, so I used one of the standard aquariums instead). The anomalies noted above just appeared a couple of days ago.

Each active save gets treated with Regul Save Cleaner about once a week.

Will try to get screenshots (if the game cooperates, it has a mind of its own regarding view angles and zoom).

"If you use Nraas mods you could try resetting the lot, if that doesn't help then flush any stuck jigs."

Interesting. Does this affect the game in any way or just clean up things in the background?

The "some items could not be loaded and were replaced" message appears when you have uninstalled or corrupted CC, store, or EP-related items that were removed from the game before opening the save. This happens if they were placed inside the current lot, somewhere around the town, or were sim related CC. That's why the game replaces them with base game items or eliminates them completely.

Edit: For this reason I rarely use custom content in my builds (no matter how many items I have in Mods folder that I barely use) because...well...I could uninstall something important by mistake and regret it afterwards. After that I have to inspect what item is missing or what could I use to replace it.

Reseting the lot (Nraas MasterController) doesn't affect the progress, but resets all current actions, teleports sims to safe place at the front door usually (no matter if they are at home or somewhere else) and refreshes the routing data in the lot.

A "map" of the lot -





and a different view -




Excuse the dark images, game looks fine on my monitor but screenshots always turn out darker (I actually did some fade correction to improve clarity while processing).

Personally I can't see anything wrong with this build.

When placing doors around the house, all exterior door placement arrows must point outside, and you should verify that the main entrance is "set as front door" every time you add a new door leading outside (click on front door > Set as Front Door). The gate's placement arrows must also point toward the outside of the lot; in my opinion, the gate shouldn't be locked right now, because the lock is making the game mistake it for an indoor door.
(The plant which is placed near the launry room door must be deleted or moved somewhere else)

The front door is (was, I'll double check) set as front door, and "points" outward. I fully enclosed the yard and added locked gates to prevent random sims from wandering around the lot (at least they don't help themselves to the pool like the sims on Sunlit Tides); guess I could eliminate the gates entirely, leaving a solid fence, and see what happens.

The sauna is a relatively new addition, that corner of the room originally just had a small table and couple of chairs. I've noticed if my sims merely want to "enjoy refreshing steam" they enter the room normally, it's only when they want the mud bath or revitalizing that they "enter" through the window; it can't be the design of the room, many other sims have a similar sauna room with no issues.

To which room do you refer as the "gym"?

Arrows on objects have always confused me. Does it matter which way a potted plant "points"? Should the coffee table point towards or away from the sofa? Windows are even worse, shutters go to the outside, but that means some windows point in and others point out. I've read exterior doors should point out, but what about interior doors?

Sorry but I got little confused when I've saw the gym equipment in the same room with the washing machine and the dryer, so I called it a gym.

The placement arrows are the triangular cutout inside the placement outlines (the green window under objects when they are selected). Their purpose is to point in which direction the face of the objects is looking at. For exterior doors their direction is important. When the exterior doors arrow points outside it prevents uninvited sims to enter your home (theorically).

The direction of the plants, interior doors or other furniture doesn't matter actually (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Sims walking thought objects is pretty normal (for me atleast).

In my previous post I was talking about the plant which is in the doorway of the room, where the washing machine and the dryer are. It better to be removed from there, because it blocks the corridor and sims can get stuck there, while doing laundry, or when two sims are trying to exit this room in the same time.

Ah, that plant does appear to be in the doorway, but it isn't, it's just the angle of the image. The residents have no issues there.

But if they are in the kitchen and told to tend the garden, rather than go through the back door to the garden they will go all the way through the house to the side door, stop just outside there and complain of no path, guide them around the shrubbery and table there, and they walk all the way across the back yard to the garden. When done with that work they will return to the house through the back door.

Here on MTS you can find invisible or semi-invisible fences that block sims from entering areas where they don't belong. The good thing about them is that they are invisible and don't break up the view when you want to have unbroken ocean scenary for example. The bad thing about them is that they are hard to be removed when they don't serve purpose any more.

Sometimes they choose the side door because it's the shortest path, but that not normal if they are already in the kithen. They do not use the nearest door, because the path is blocked by something in the most cases. Maybe the trash bin is in its footprint, the outside objects like the wall lamp, the security system, or some of the garden plants are too close to the door, that sims think they are an obstacle (I think security system must be always installed inside).

"When done with that work they will return to the house through the back door." - that sounds odd.

Edit: I could help fixing the lot's routing. If you have Sim File Share account you can upload the house there and send the link here or perhaps send the library save of the lot.

"...security system must be always installed inside"

When I first returned to the game a couple of months ago one of my new characters had burglars hit her house three times in just over a week (remarkable burglars, the first two times they stole her toilet and lavatory), she bought an alarm after the first time. In reading up on this I found the alarm will not go off until the burglar has entered the house, but once they are inside they immediately have whatever the game decides they will "steal" so can run out. It was recommended to place the alarm outside the door where it will trigger as soon as a burglar is within a certain distance of it (seems to be around 6-8 tiles), the burglar never gets inside, often appears frantic and nervous and may not even run away. I believe it must also be within 4-5 tiles of a door, but not certain about that, I usually have space within 3 tiles.

This has worked well for me, I even went back and moved the alarms on the old saves. Unfortunately the police are still just as inept; at a recent attempt the police arrived while the burglar was still on the front porch holding his ears; the officer walked right past the burglar to come inside and apologize for not catching him (and I'm thinking, "he's right there on the porch, you nitwit!"); the alarm shuts off, the burglar straightens up, calmly walks to his car, and drives away. But at least they don't steal anything now.


As for the back door being blocked, they have no problem using it when cleaning the house. I'm going to play with the gates and see if they have some arcane interaction with accessing the garden.

Use the Transmogrifier to copy the burglar alarm script and put it on something decorative outside. The outside counts as one room so as soon as the burglar hits your lot, the alarm goes off. I prefer the flamingos because the visual affect of the alarm gets centered on it so it looks like it's yelling.

It won't help the cops be any more efficient but at least the burglar sits there doing the panic dance immediately instead of going inside.

A guard flamingo! Great idea!


"The outside counts as one room..."

I wonder if fencing off part of this "room", with or without gates, is confusing my sims.

Hi @jgf and how's going?

Did you fixed the routing in this house?

According to the screenshots I think this is the lot, where Mrs. Crumplebottom's house originally was before and must say it a hot spot.
The backyard gate is not necessery thought, because it leads to the cliff and you should remove it if this confuses your sims, as you're saying. To open up the backyard to the ocean view you can use the invisible fence, that I mentioned before. You still got the fence, but now it's invisible.

Haven't been in the game for a few days. Got a new steering wheel for my race sims (sadly had to replace my old one when couldn't get FFB working in Win11) and spent time configuring and calibrating it in the various sims.

If memory serves me well (no guarantees there, and this is one of those saves from ten years ago to which I recently returned) this was an empty lot my sim purchased when they outgrew their original home. Will get a screenshot of the neighborhood. The back gate was added merely so my sims wouldn't have to walk all the way around the lot to go in that direction, and the front gate so they wouldn't have to go through the house to get from the back yard to the front ...and the only reason for an all-encompassing fence was to stop random sims from wandering around my property (now they stand on the sidewalk, stomp their feet, wave their arms, and shout, complaining of no route).

Sometimes, things just go wonky, for whatever reason, especially with older saves. If Sims don't use a door, or any other object, replace it, and see if that changes anything.

Reset the town several times. With MasterController you can also annihilatie homeless people or tourists. Also you can install Nrass GoHere.

I've been playing these old saves for over two months now, this weirdness just appeared a couple of weeks ago, about the time I completed the fence around the yard. Now how a fence around the yard could affect pathing within the house is a conundrum, but I long ago learned computers have absolutely nothing to do with logic.

The irritant with the back door is that both sims will use it normally ...just not when I tell them to tend the garden.

"According to the screenshots I think this is the lot, where Mrs. Crumplebottom's house originally was before and must say it a hot spot. "

Did Holly build her home on haunted ground? lol

Does such a reset affect the game itself? (relationships, story progression, etc.)

I have GoHere, was recommended for a different issue, but I've not tinkered with it.

Reseting the town does the same thing, but for every lot in town (both community and residential).

I don't remember if GoHere has additional settings (I can't check it, because I don't have access to my computer rn) but the mod does its job, without any tinkering, by default.

I'll try resetting the lot.

Removing the gates, thus having a solid fence with no openings, no change. I sent Holly, who was upstairs, to tend the garden, she went downstairs to the kitchen, then took the circuitous route through the house to the side door and around the back yard to the garden; when finished she went in through the back door. Will try leaving a couple of openings in the fence, though I doubt that will make a difference either (which means it will probably, inexplicably, work).