Hello,
I wanted to know if it was possible to add a decorative fire effect to an object, like a stove/oven or other?

For context, I've been looking for ancient/traditional asian oven/stoves, and during my research, I've found sims 4 models with animated fire, like this one.






Source of the pics: https://hamsterbellbelle.tumblr.com...-animated-flame

Seeing this made me wonder if something like that was also possible in Sims 3, and if so, how can I do it?

Yes: https://modthesims.info/download.php?t=454765

Oh, that's great if it's possible :D

So, I checked your barrel with s3pe, it has a custom script, right? I know nothing about scripting, I just know how to make custom painting...

I also checked in TSRW, and in the slots tabs, I saw "_FX_0_smoke" in the "Bones", "Container Entries" and "Effect Entries", is it what tell the script the position of the fire effect, particularly the one in the "Bones" part?
If so, that means I'll have to add "_FX_0_smoke" to the object or stove and then position it properly?

Would a oven/stove still function as such, allowing a sim to cook, if I add a custom interaction?

When I thought of the fire effect, I checked the fireplaces, thinking that their fire effect could be used for my idea, so I checked their slot tabs, and saw "_FX_0_fireSmoke". That concern the fireplace's fire effect right? It's not the same as the fire effect you used for your barrel?
At least that's what it looked like to me when I put a fireplace and the barrel side by side to see the fire, and they were different.

I think I'll need a step by step tuto XD

It's been quite a long time since I did any of this, but yes, the barrels have a simple custom script to start and stop the fire iirc. I don't remember exactly what I did or how i did it., but the slot determines where the the effect appears. I wish I could be more help but it was a long time ago.

An alternative would be an animated texture, like in Lyralei's guide here: https://greenplumbboblover.tumblr.c...t/154132102136/

FX generally need to be tied to a script that tells them when/how to turn on and off. If you know of any existing EA objects that have permanent FX, they would be the ideal examples to check to see if it's possible to use them without that component.
There's also no harm in just experimenting- mess around with those FX slots, clone items that already use them and see what stops working if you change their scripts, etc. You may not have much luck, but you'll know what is and isn't possible firsthand

Possibly the easiest way to combine the fire with a stove is "testingcheats enabled" "moveojects on" and place the fire inside a stove. You might need to clone the barrel and change where the fire is located, and often, when one oject is completely inside of another, you can't click on it after placing it, for interaction.

It's ok if you don't remember the details, but your reply did confirm my thoughts that the slot does determines the position of the effect and that it has a custom script, so that help me ^^


Thanks for your answer and the link too. That does look easier to do than create a custom script.

In TSRW, I've looked at the Anubis Floor Lamp and the Wall Torch. Both have what I've been looking for: their Group 1 reveal a "Particle Jet" when I click on the Material. It has a texture and a color ramp. Now, the question is, how do I put that fire effect at the bottom? It's the first time I go in the Material tab with the intent do so some modifications, so I'm lost

The torch and Anubis have a fire as Jet texture and they're different, so I wonder where should I look in the game's files to find other fire texture effects? Like for example the fire texture of a fireplace or of a fire pit?
In an experiment, these Jet texture only appeared when I did a deep clone of Anubis and the torch with s3oc. TSRW or a normal cloning with S3OC don't add these textures in the package.

A deep clone of a fireplace or a fire pit didn't give me any fire effect, so I guess I'll have to look in the game's data to find the effects and maybe their animation data, but where?



Oh yes, I thought of doing something similar by using the fog emitter and a fire effect that I would then place in the stove. I just thought it would be more practical to have the effect already added to the stove, rather than using the fog emitter or any other object that had the effect I wanted.
I also thought of cloning the barrel, but guessed that the stove wouldn't be functionnal as such anymore, that's why I didn't do it XD

Looks like I made things more complicated for me

Hi, I got time to work on this experiment.

I used murfeelee’s kamado found there: https://murfeelee.tumblr.com/post/1...ving-dining-set

I thought it was the perfect object for the test, to see where the fire effect would be, and I didn’t find anything else that was similar to what I needed.

So, here’s what I did.

Tools used
TSRW 2.0.88 and 2.2.50
Milkshape 1.8.5
The informations about the particle jet shader: https://simswiki.info/wiki.php?titl...ers#ParticleJet

With tsrw 2.2.50: anubis’s lamp
I exported the Anubis floor lamp’s high lod.
Clicking on material from group 1, I exported the color ramp and jet texture as dds.
I saved this project as reference, since it will be a reference for adding the particle jet shader to the kamado.

With tsrw 2.0.88: kamado
I imported the kamado, exported the high lod.
I duplicated the group 1, clicked on its material, selected particle jet, and said yes on the 2 prompts.

With Milkshape
I opened Milkshape, imported the kamado’s lod first, then anubis’s lod.
I deleted anubis’s group 0 and 2, moved its group 1 in second place, just after the kamado’s group 0 (it’s the kamado’s shadow group), so that the groups will be in the same place as the anubis’s groups.
I renamed the groups properly and selected group 1, and on the joints tabs, I clicked on the joint 0xCD68F001 and clicked assign.
I then exported the mesh as kamado with added group, and I then imported it in the kamado project that was opened with tsrw 2.0.88.
The reason I had to use tsrw 2.0.88 was that I couldn’t import the mesh if I did everything with tsrw 2.2.50.
I saved the project as kama particle jet but no fire texture added yet and closed it so that I could open it with tsrw 2.2.50.

With tsrw 2.2.50: working on the kamado
Tsrw 2.2.50 is needed, because tsrw 2.0.88 doesn’t have the name of data we want to add, like for example, instead of color ramp, you’ll only have strings of numbers.

For Always on, I put 1 instead of 0 like for Anubis, because it’s what allow the fire effect to still be there even if the lamp is turned off.
So, using the Anubis lamp as a reference, I added all the data needed, but not color ramp and jet texture yet. I saved so that I had a file without them in case of a problem.
I did save as and named kama particle jet with fire texture added.

With tsrw 2.2.50: working on the kamado: a problem with color ramp and jet texture
For the Colorramp I did: type reskey, num values 4.
I used the same options for jet texture.

Now, this is where I have a problem.
When I added the color ramp and jet texture, but when I change one of them, the other get the same texture (see pic1).
And it’s the same thing with my group 0, the shadow group. When I check its material, it get the same texture as the color ramp and jet texture (see pic2).


I added the files so that they could be checked.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/07z4...test_1.rar/file

I don't do many objects, but for cooking and a fire, there would be separate animations, and effects. Not sure how you would comine them. I also do not know exactly what particle jet shader does? I did find some time to make a mock up of what I was talking about before, using 2 separate items and move objects on.

I removed the hearth from a fireplace, and fit it to the country stove in Blender, and set it for live drag in TSRW. I moved the FX bone (fire and smoke) to match the position of the logs. Next, I shrunk the door glass and hid it inside, so I didn't have to mess with groups. Exported as 2 packages.

It's very rough looking, since I didn't other to work on the textures, and the shadow from the door handle remains, but it seems to more or less work. Sims can light the fire, then cook on the stove top. Poke fire or put it out. asic fireplace anims. I didn't try the oven yet. It's an interesting concept, and I may look deeper into it.

Mmh, so if I understand, this means that as far as we know, it's not possible to have a decorative fire in the stove, the fire need to be its own object, unless there's a method we're not aware of yet...

Your explanation of modifying the fireplace, and the oven helped me understand better, and it's pretty nice that the stove work as intended, that leaves just the oven to test...
If I understood well, once you imported your edited fireplace in tsrw, you did nothing but change FX bone (fire and smoke), and did the same with the edited oven: no change in bones?
To make sure, which fireplace did you use?

I'll try that too, and share the result as soon as I can.

I'll be interested, if you ever look deeper into the concept :D

I would imagine it's possible to have one object do more than one thing with more than one effect, but, if it IS possible, that would be scripting, which I know nothing about.

I'm sure the oven works since the stove top does, just a matter of what the alignment to animations looks like.

Yes, the only bone I moved is the one for the FX, to place it back to the center of the logs. You can see the knob, bottom left. That is part of the hearth, and just to be sure there is something to click on. But, with oven door glass moved, I could also click directly onto the logs.

The footprint needs to be adjusted for the hearth, I didn't get to it. No change to the stove bones. Of course, what I made is just a rough.

I used the ranch fireplace, because I thought the logs looked good. Any would work, and you can make more or less logs.

Same, I know nothing about scripting, which is why I thought using the particle jet shader from anubis's lamp was a good idea. I'm still not giving up on that idea yet, since the only problem I have for now, it's about the textures as I explained earlier.

How do I change the footprint? By going in slot > clicking on the 1st footprint > select from mesh and click calculate? Then I do the exact same thing for the others? Or do I do that just to the 1st one?

I'm asking, because in this kitchen set, there's some wood as fireplace (it's named iamcoming_bigfiresafe), and only the 1st footprint seem to have been changed, when I check it in tsrw: https://www.xmsims.com/sims3/ehtm/S...kitchen001.html

Weirdly, when I put it in murfeelee's kamado with moveobjects on (I put it on the bottom, where there's the wood from the kamado, and I'm not talking about the kamado I modified to experiment), then ask my testing sim to turn on the fire, it works but she complain of routing issue, but then she can't turn it off.
Naturally, I always turn off moveobjects once I'm done placing the piece of wood.

I'm talking about this, because I thought that fitted the current discussion :D

As I wrote, I really don't do a lot of objects, and am not familiar with changing footprints, but know it can, and has been done by others. On how, I am like you, and need to experiment, unless an object creator pops in. I also know there are flags that can be checked, to allow live drag and also to place one object thru another, as I have seen it, but again, will be experimenting to see exactly what needs to be checked off.

I am continuing to play around with this, and will share anything that I figure out, of course. )

OK! It othered me a bit, so I spent some time messing with the insert/ hearth/ firebox, and have something that works pretty well. I changed a few settings, in both the project tab, and inside of the slots. Easiest thing for me to do, will be to upload it here, tomorrow. That way, you can pull it apart and look inside, which is how I figure out a lot of things. And then, I can try to help with questions.

What I have, is a firebox that is basically as in the pics. Sims seem to route to it correctly, so far. NO moveobects on! I have this thing to work with live mode hand drag tool, and it will go inside of a stove without cheats! I'll upload the firebox and stove as both package and workfiles tomorrow.

Right, it's fun to experiment with this game, even if it can be frustrating at times, and it's great that you made progress too with yours :D

Interestingly, anubis doesn't have any joint when you load the wso in milkshape, and when I import the kamado mesh in it (I wanted to see what would happen if I turned it into a lamp), I always get an error, no matter if it got joints or not, and when I test in game, it doesn't have the fire effect anymore

Thank your for your help, and don't worry, take all the time you need for your tests :D

The big problem when "experimenting" on a game this old, is, "why hasn't this been done already?" Did people like cmo and Cmar already try and found it won't work? Or did they not think of trying it? Or I just didn't use the right keywords to find the posts? Or did the geniuses at Google write a search algorythm that doesn't understand the differences between a 2, 3 or 4???

I'm actually new to objects, as I've said. I did a few "easy" statues a while ago, but less than a year since taking interest in cars and motorcycles... and using Milkshape. So, still learning.

I think one of the FTPTs has the flame info in it. I lost my flames when I tried swapping the FTPTs from the stove to the fire. Again, really not sure, and won't lie about that.

Anyway, here's what I did. I'll try to find time to look at the lamp and figure that thing out. Or, @Anubis it.

Thanks for the file :D
Oh yes, I heard that cars and motorcycles aren't easy to deal with, good luck.
Right, it's annoying that when we research things about a specific game, we get results about the others

Still, it's weird that the flame disappeared when changing the footprint

Thanks for helping me with that torch too, if you have time, if you can't it's no big deal.

For me, cars and bikes was mostly a matter of learning the archaic Milkshape. Sadly, .wso plugin for Blender doesn't work for me. JoshQ helped me to understand a few things regarding joint assignments in MS, and Dailycard gave me some pointers.

The meshes aren't that hard for me, but assignments and TSRW bones slots are a it of a PITA.

Oh! And can you link that lamp so I can start with a fresh copy?

Ooh, your sim got a really cool motorbike :D

Yeah, bone assignments can be hard, especially with an old software like Milkshape…

Yes, here’s the link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/n6l3..._torch.rar/file

I also included a wall torch who got joints in Milkshape, unlike Anubis. The files were created with tsrw 2.2.50.
Both objects are from World Adventure.
Tsrw might not want to load Anubis properly, and I suspect the problem comes from the joints/rig, for the wall torch that I included is loaded properly.

In fact, I added the wall torch specifically for this, in case Anubis doesn’t work, because they both got the particle shader.
Interestingly, in milkshape, the group that got the shader doesn’t have any joint assigned.

And I always get an error when I import a mesh over Anubis or the wall torch, no matter if the group supposed to have the particle shader got a joint assigned or not in milkshape…
For example, I tried to import the anubis lod in the wall torch, to see what would happen, and it's the same problem if you import the lod of the wall torch to the wall torch itself

Like, I did nothing special: I have the wall torch open in tsrw, I export the lod, then I reimport the lod. I did nothing more, and I get the error

Maybe I'll have to try with another version of tsrw, because I get the same error with tsrw 2.0.88, but apparently the others tsrw are also problematic, or so I've heard
With that said, I'm not surprised when I've read somewhere a while ago a cc creator said they had 4 different versions of tsrw because it's a temperamental software and one thing can work in one version but not in another according to them...

I think you are missing my point... I need the original Anubis CC, not something you have already cloned.

That's what I did, I sent you the original anubis torch, gotten directly with tsrw, it's from world adventure's addon. If you have that pack, you can see it in the tsrw workshop, it's in lighting > floor lamp category, the wall torch I sent is in the wall lamp category and is also a world aventure object.

They're not modified in any way.

A misunderstanding from my end. I thought you referred to something modded by Anubis360! After figuring out that mistake, I looked at it and must be honest... walk away! I have no clue what that particle mess is, or what EA is doing with it. I tried to select group 1 in MS, and it froze my laptop. After finally getting it to restart, I looked at it in Blender. It's a dot in the centerline at the lamp feet on the mesh side, and a bunch of dots in the UV. I didn't see anything listed as FX for the lamp, so asolutely no clue how that works, so even less of a clue how to move it or mod it. Sorry I couldn't help more on that.

No problem, misunderstandings can happen

Don't be sorry, you still tried to help, and that's what matter ^^
Mmh, I think you might be right, if it's such a mess, I might have to give up using that shader, then...

Still, I wonder how I could "separate" the color ramp, the jet texture and the texture of the shadow mesh so that they show up properly like with anubis torch and the wall torch, because like I showed in a earlier post, if I change one of those 3, it change the others 2.
I thought if we could deal with this, it could help down the line in getting the result I want....


I too found the lamps weird when I checked them, but thought they could be used as a template for the fire effect...

I guess if we can't figure out the mess that is the particle jet shader, that leaves no choice but to do what we've been doing at the same time as we looked at that particle shader: modifying a fireplace in a way that allow a sim to use it, and at the same time allow the sim to use the stove and oven properly.
Given what we discovered, it looks like it's a matter of dealing with the footprint now, that looks will it will take some trial and error, and that is if we manage to do it...

It's pretty complicated, at least for me XD

If we can't do it, I would be a bit disappointed but ok because at least we tried and learned a few things :D

I was SO wrong to tell you to walk away! Just because I am having trouble figuring out that shader doesn't mean you should give up, or that someone else can't find an answer. I'm kind of embarrassed that I wrote that after thinking about it more.

I'll probably dl the stove and go thru everything again when I get time.

Meanwhile, the footprints of what I sent are good. You can use them to clone from, or copy all of the info to your project.

Don't worry, you weren't wrong to tell me to walk away, I had that in mind too, as I thought that if we couldn't figure it out after a while, it wouldn't be worth it to keep insisting on something that didn't work

I'll have to check again in game the files you sent, because with my test, my sims could turn on the fireplace but not cook... Maybe I've wrongly placed the fireplace under the stove...

I talked about the footprint, because you said that when you modified it, the fire effect disappeared...

But again, thank you, you really helped :D